We have a bunch of smart groups that a lot of other smart groups rely on. I'd like to turn these former groups into regular groups and then generate them once a day, to improve performance. But deleting them and reconfiguring all the other groups with the replacements will be quite fiddly, so I'm wondering if I can convert them.

Has anyone tried this? Can I just edit civicrm_group to remove the:

  • saved_search_id
  • where_clause
  • select_tables
  • where_tables

? Just wondering if there are any gotchas I need to be aware of.

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Unfortunately NO, updating saved_search_id to NULL will actually convert it to normal group but no contact's will get added into this group since for smart group the contact are calculated from civicrm_group_contact_cache table which is rebuild periodically and for normal group its from civicrm_group_contact which is static. So you will need to first rebuild the contacts for a group and then move data from cache to static table like

INSERT IGNORE INTO civicrm_group_contact (group_id, contact_id, status)
SELECT group_id, contact_id, 'Added' FROM civicrm_group_contact_cache 
  WHERE group_id IN (1);



  • Cool - that's what I was hoping! I'll be generating the group once a day from a script. Just wanted to check that removing the saved_search_id was all I needed to stop it being treated as a smart group. Thanks! Jul 18, 2018 at 11:21

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